New PC advice please...

[lion_tamer]

Seeing as this is an internet message board, I assume some of you have a reasonable knowlegde of how these machines work.. Im looking to buy a new PC, and after a disheartening visit to PC world, I thought Id ask here....

Mostly use the machine for Internet (Duh..) however will also be storing and playing MP3s, and streaming videos, and probably burning discs, and some occassional 3D gaming. Im hoping to spend up to £400, and Im after some advice, as PC world were pretty useless... (showed me a £300 and a £800 macine but didnt know the difference)

[lionessIRE]

Seeing as this is an internet message board, I assume some of you have a reasonable knowlegde of how these machines work.. Im looking to buy a new PC, and after a disheartening visit to PC world, I thought Id ask here....

Mostly use the machine for Internet (Duh..) however will also be storing and playing MP3s, and streaming videos, and probably burning discs, and some occassional 3D gaming. Im hoping to spend up to £400, and Im after some advice, as PC world were pretty useless... (showed me a £300 and a £800 macine but didnt know the difference)


Go onto Dell website. They build the machine according to the spec that you require and will deliver it to your door .

All you need is a cd burner. most of them now are dvd burners now. 48X speed is good. If you want to save your games to the hard drive, then you will need alot of memory and alot of speed but that comes at a price. however if you want to play the games from the cd, then a good graphics card will be suffice. For games and music, a good set of speakers is essential. If you want to get wireless broadband separately, then you don't need to get an internal modem, which will bring down the cost as well.

[lion_tamer]

Cheers Lioness - I had been looking on Dell.co.uk so nice to hear someone else recommend it! Appreciated...

[rikardo]

I would also buy a magazine or two, pc advisor, computer shopper, something like that. They help you make an informed choice. When you have decided what spec you want each of the components to be then shop around on the net. Dell are very good but when I shopped around a bit I found a better spec and a better price. Also, a good tip is if you see a particular computer you like then type it into google and you will get a price comparison. I saved about 400 quid doing this with my new laptop.
Also, don't rush it, I usually buy impulsively but I took a few days and it was worth it as I saved money. If you like you can sendme a link for anything you're thinking of getting and I'll help you seeing if it can be got cheeper anywhere.
Try these links.

http://www.somucheasier.co.uk/computers.html

Finally, as advice to everyone...DO NOT BUY AT PC WORLD!! They suck so badly it's not true

Hope this helps, have fun :smile:

[leighton]

Just to sow doubts........one thing I was told about Dell is that the machines are assembled in lots of different locations to widely differing quality standards, so there is an element of unreliability.

I've got a Tosh laptop which is big (not really portable) and very reliable, and a smaller Packard Bell which was about £ 599 back in June and packs a lot of punch - good value.

I've always shopped at PCWorld and backed myself to spot a bargain from what's in the shop on the day. Their adverts bear no resemblance to what's in stock.

[lion_tamer]

I would also buy a magazine or two, pc advisor, computer shopper, something like that. They help you make an informed choice. When you have decided what spec you want each of the components to be then shop around on the net. Dell are very good but when I shopped around a bit I found a better spec and a better price. Also, a good tip is if you see a particular computer you like then type it into google and you will get a price comparison. I saved about 400 quid doing this with my new laptop.
Also, don't rush it, I usually buy impulsively but I took a few days and it was worth it as I saved money. If you like you can sendme a link for anything you're thinking of getting and I'll help you seeing if it can be got cheeper anywhere.
Try these links.

http://www.somucheasier.co.uk/computers.html

Finally, as advice to everyone...DO NOT BUY AT PC WORLD!! They suck so badly it's not trueHope this helps, have fun :smile:

Cheers Rik - PC world seemed to have some good deals, but their lack of knoweldge astounded me, I had been surfing around but then had some spare time so thought I would pop in and have a discussion... no such luck!! Ill probably run some ideas past you...

[lion_tamer]

Just to sow doubts........one thing I was told about Dell is that the machines are assembled in lots of different locations to widely differing quality standards, so there is an element of unreliability.

I've got a Tosh laptop which is big (not really portable) and very reliable, and a smaller Packard Bell which was about £ 599 back in June and packs a lot of punch - good value.

I've always shopped at PCWorld and backed myself to spot a bargain from what's in the shop on the day. Their adverts bear no resemblance to what's in stock.

Trust you to confuse things!! Seriously though... different opinions - thats what I wanted!! ;)

[fordy]

I got my last PC from Ebay following some internet research into what would cover my needs, best thing about the deal I got was the fact I wasn't paying for printers, monitors and software that I already had.

[lionessIRE]

Trust you to confuse things!! Seriously though... different opinions - thats what I wanted!! ;)



When i was in University in Cork studying Computer Applications, all the IT labs had dell computers. Now Im working in a Dutch bank, we all use Dell PCs here. Their reliablility needs to be pretty high and is.

The settings have to be set based on the area where the customer is from. I bought a Siemens laptop that cost me an arm a leg and a head, and its shite! I needed alot in the spec of my laptop for college work, but it went back to the factory ( Belfast ) 3 times before they agreed to renew the full thing.

[Hooker2]

I'll back Rik.. Computer lecturer told us to never buy from PC World because apparently "they suck", his words not mine.

[lion_tamer]

I'll back Rik.. Computer lecturer told us to never buy from PC World because apparently "they suck", his words not mine.
Wel i cant comment, they made it so difficult to buy from them that I didnt really have the opportunity! Im sure they are good if you dont want a PC, or you know what you want and they have it in stock..

[rikardo]

Wel i cant comment, they made it so difficult to buy from them that I didnt really have the opportunity! Im sure they are good if you dont want a PC, or you know what you want and they have it in stock..

yeah they're fine if yo want some paper or dvds...

[leighton]

Just to sow doubts........one thing I was told about Dell is that the machines are assembled in lots of different locations to widely differing quality standards, so there is an element of unreliability.

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IT audit manager at the company confirmed that to me today. The office where I am working at the moment is using Dells, and they are nice looking machines, but there is a risk.

He recommended HP as the best mix of quality/ value and IBM and Sony as the premium products.

[fordy]

IT audit manager at the company confirmed that to me today. The office where I am working at the moment is using Dells, and they are nice looking machines, but there is a risk.

He recommended HP as the best mix of quality/ value and IBM and Sony as the premium products.

I have an HP and would recommend it over Dell, however don't get an HP laptop two companies I work with have replaced over 5 screens on their HP laptops within 18 months of purchase

[lion_tamer]

If you like you can sendme a link for anything you're thinking of getting and I'll help you seeing if it can be got cheeper anywhere.
Try these links.

http://www.somucheasier.co.uk/computers.html

Finally, as advice to everyone...DO NOT BUY AT PC WORLD!! They suck so badly it's not true

Hope this helps, have fun :smile:

Right - im looking at the bvelow basic specs for £512 inc software and extra bits.. any thoughts appreciated!!

Base AMD® Athlon™ 64 Processor 3200+
Microsoft Operating System Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
Memory 1GB Dual Channel DDR2 533MHz [2x512MB] Memory
Video Card Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 6150 LE graphics
Hard Drive 160GB (7200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst™ cache
CD/DVD Drives 16 X DVD +/- RW Drive
Sound Cards Integrated 7.1 Channel High Definition Audio
Microsoft Application Software Microsoft® Office 2003 Basic - English
Standard Warranty Collect & Return, 1 Year Service only
Cover It with Dell Support Services Collect & Return, 1 Year Service only
AntiVirus & Security Software Free Upgrade to McAfee® Security Centre™ 36-month Protection

[Ben]

Well as a comparison, in two minutes I found this:

The downside is that it is being offered by Mesh who's machines are cheap and cheerful but not very well built. I wouldn't recommend them for business but for a cheap run around so to speak they are good value. The one below also includes a 19" flat panel too.
The Ultimate - Best Buy PC Offer
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center
FREE Upgrade to Vista Home Premium
Intel® Pentium® D Processor 820
HT Tech.(2.80GHz,2MB Cache,800MHz)
</SPAN></SPAN>ASUS</STRONG> PCIe Mainboard-Intel® G946gz Chipset
1024MB DDR2 533MHz Memory
</SPAN>250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive
256MB Intel® GMA Graphics-onboard
19" Widescreen LCD Display(MM, DVI, 8ms)
Sony 18x Super Format DVD Writer
5.1 Channel Surround Sound Audio
6 USB, GB LAN
Logitech Desktop KB & Optical Mouse
Classic Warranty-3 Years parts & lab.

Delivery : £39.95 inc vat.
Availability : approx. 5 working days http://www.meshcomputers.com/ImageCache/IMAGELIBRARYIMAGECONTENT51827002D1002D1.gif£499.00 inc VAT
(£424.68 ex VAT) http://www.meshcomputers.com/Skins/Default/images/1x1.gif

[rikardo]

Right - im looking at the bvelow basic specs for £512 inc software and extra bits.. any thoughts appreciated!!

Base AMD® Athlon™ 64 Processor 3200+
Microsoft Operating System Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
Memory 1GB Dual Channel DDR2 533MHz [2x512MB] Memory
Video Card Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 6150 LE graphics
Hard Drive 160GB (7200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst™ cache
CD/DVD Drives 16 X DVD +/- RW Drive
Sound Cards Integrated 7.1 Channel High Definition Audio
Microsoft Application Software Microsoft® Office 2003 Basic - English
Standard Warranty Collect & Return, 1 Year Service only
Cover It with Dell Support Services Collect & Return, 1 Year Service only
AntiVirus & Security Software Free Upgrade to McAfee® Security Centre™ 36-month Protection

I would say that's pretty good, AThlon is better processor and having MS office also saves a bit of cash. Had a quick browse but can't find anything better. Who is it from? Do you have a model name?

[lion_tamer]

Well as a comparison, in two minutes I found this:

The downside is that it is being offered by Mesh who's machines are cheap and cheerful but not very well built. I wouldn't recommend them for business but for a cheap run around so to speak they are good value. The one below also includes a 19" flat panel too.
The Ultimate - Best Buy PC Offer
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center
FREE Upgrade to Vista Home Premium
Intel® Pentium® D Processor 820
HT Tech.(2.80GHz,2MB Cache,800MHz)
</SPAN></SPAN>ASUS</STRONG> PCIe Mainboard-Intel® G946gz Chipset
1024MB DDR2 533MHz Memory
</SPAN>250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive
256MB Intel® GMA Graphics-onboard
19" Widescreen LCD Display(MM, DVI, 8ms)
Sony 18x Super Format DVD Writer
5.1 Channel Surround Sound Audio
6 USB, GB LAN
Logitech Desktop KB & Optical Mouse
Classic Warranty-3 Years parts & lab.

Delivery : £39.95 inc vat.
Availability : approx. 5 working days http://www.meshcomputers.com/ImageCache/IMAGELIBRARYIMAGECONTENT51827002D1002D1.gif£499.00 inc VAT
(£424.68 ex VAT) http://www.meshcomputers.com/Skins/Default/images/1x1.gif

That looks good.... Im trying my best not to impulse-buy but its Bonus payday.... :notsure:

Its pretty much standard home use, if the machines are poorly built arethey at least good at repairing them if something goes wrong?

[lion_tamer]

I would say that's pretty good, AThlon is better processor and having MS office also saves a bit of cash. Had a quick browse but can't find anything better. Who is it from? Do you have a model name?
Is that processor better than what Ben found? His hardrive etc was better i think.... dunno what to do!!

[lion_tamer]

Well as a comparison, in two minutes I found this:

The downside is that it is being offered by Mesh who's machines are cheap and cheerful but not very well built. I wouldn't recommend them for business but for a cheap run around so to speak they are good value. The one below also includes a 19" flat panel too.
The Ultimate - Best Buy PC Offer
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center
FREE Upgrade to Vista Home Premium
Intel® Pentium® D Processor 820
HT Tech.(2.80GHz,2MB Cache,800MHz)
</SPAN></SPAN>ASUS</STRONG> PCIe Mainboard-Intel® G946gz Chipset
1024MB DDR2 533MHz Memory
</SPAN>250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive
256MB Intel® GMA Graphics-onboard
19" Widescreen LCD Display(MM, DVI, 8ms)
Sony 18x Super Format DVD Writer
5.1 Channel Surround Sound Audio
6 USB, GB LAN
Logitech Desktop KB & Optical Mouse
Classic Warranty-3 Years parts & lab.

Delivery : £39.95 inc vat.
Availability : approx. 5 working days http://www.meshcomputers.com/ImageCache/IMAGELIBRARYIMAGECONTENT51827002D1002D1.gif£499.00 inc VAT
(£424.68 ex VAT) http://www.meshcomputers.com/Skins/Default/images/1x1.gif
Is this one on the Mesh site? They used to sponsor Charlton...not that Id let a silly detail like that affect my buying decision..ahem :oops:

[Ben]

As I say, it took two minutes to find that machine, i'm sure you could find a cheaper, better specced and built machine if you really looked around. You could try the likes of eBuyer etc, they often have some really good deals.

With regards to Mesh specifically, I have little experience with them myself and I have never bought a machine from them as I would/have built my own, however the people I know that have, I think have been pretty happy with what they've got for their dough. The other company who are very much the main competitor to mesh are Evesham so if you are thinking of going down that route then take a look at them too and compare.

[lion_tamer]

Thanks very much Ben, i have been looking around online but getting slightly confused by the numbers... I always thought I was quite PC literate but the industry has moved faster than i have! Im sure I will easily find a machine that excels my needs - but its just about getting the best for the money!

[lion_tamer]

Right - thinking ofgetting this...

System Base Price: £ 424.68
Intel® Pentium® D 820 Dual Core (2.8GHz,2MB Cache,800MHz)
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
Mini-Tower Micro ATX Case +250W PSU - Black
ASUS P5B-TMX PCI-Express Mainboard - Pentium® D/Core™ 2 Duo - Micro ATX
1024MB DDR2 533MHz Memory - (2x512MB)
250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive with 16MB Buffer
Super Format SONY 18x Dual Layer DVD Writer +R/-R/RW/RAM
256MB Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator integrated (SMA)
Without 19" Widescreen TFT MESH Monitor [upg £ -109.00]
5.1 High Definition 6 Channel Audio Codec (on-board)
Without Keyboard & Mouse (Desktop) [upg £ -6.60]
Free Microsoft® Works® 8.5 + 60 Days Microsoft Office Trial
BullGuard Internet Security 6.0 -AntiVirus/Firewall/Backup/Spamfilter -90 day trial
6-Socket SurgeMaster® Superior Series with Telephone Protection [upg £ 15.00]
Firewire PCI Card - adds IEEE1394 Connectivity to your PC [upg £ 10.00]
Internal 33-in-1 Memory Card Reader [upg £ 10.00]
Classic Warranty - 3 Years Back-to-Base - Parts & Labour

[lion_tamer]

Plus business is VAT regd so should be able to claim back the £66.16, making it really only £378

[rikardo]

That one doesn't have proper MSoffice which will set you back up to 200 notes. What do you use?
As for processors, Athlon is better as far as I know but it depends what you using it for. If you are just running office applications then other would be fine I imagine. Dual core is good.

[lion_tamer]

That one doesn't have proper MSoffice which will set you back up to 200 notes. What do you use?
As for processors, Athlon is better as far as I know but it depends what you using it for. If you are just running office applications then other would be fine I imagine. Dual core is good.
was planning on buying MS office teacher and student for £70 on amazon... along with antivirus from there too

I plan to mostly use the net, some gaming, music downloads, and office apps - that sort of thing

[rikardo]

That machine will struggle with modern 3d games, be fine for management type games.

[lion_tamer]

That machine will struggle with modern 3d games, be fine for management type games.
What would you say I would need as a minimum to run 3D games, bearing in mind it will be an occassional thing

[rikardo]

You need a dedicated graphics card as opposed to part of the motherboard. This is the sort of thing that hikes up the cost of a system cos a decent one costs 200 +

[rikardo]

These are Dell's cheaper games machines

clicky (http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/specialitems/dt_category_landing_page?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs&~tab=2)

Most have gfx card, usually ATI or nvidia.

May be worth using pcworld or currys to try before u buy to see what gfx acceleration is like on similar machines...then walk away to 'think about it' :smile:

[lion_tamer]

thanks mate - really helpful, ive managed to restrain myself for now so ill look at this "sensibly" over the weekend... wish me luck, and if i dissapear you'll know its gone horribly wrong!!

[chas chaston]

LT, I brought the Sony Vaio K series laptop admittedly in the USA, so I wouldn`t know what the price is in the UK, but as a novice with PC`s it`s brilliant.

I also was introduced to AVG instead of norton & macfee anti virues and firewall for me it`s a 100 times better.

I hope you find one that suits your needs cheers Chas

[lion_tamer]

well Ive gone and done it... hope it does th trick!

Mesh Elite² D820 (12)
System Base Price: £ 424.68
Intel® Pentium® D 820 Dual Core (2.8GHz,2MB Cache,800MHz)
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
Mini-Tower Micro ATX Case +250W PSU - Black
ASUS P5B-TMX PCI-Express Mainboard - Pentium® D/Core™ 2 Duo - Micro ATX
1024MB DDR2 533MHz Memory - (2x512MB)
250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive with 16MB Buffer
Super Format SONY 18x Dual Layer DVD Writer +R/-R/RW/RAM
256MB Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator integrated (SMA)
5.1 High Definition 6 Channel Audio Codec (on-board)
Logitech Desktop Keyboard & Optical Mouse
Microsoft® Office® 2003 Student and Teacher Edition (oem) [upg £ 101.28]
Free Cyberlink Video Editing Suite - 7 titles (oem)
BullGuard Internet Security 6.0 -AntiVirus/Firewall/Backup/Spamfilter -90 day trial
6-Socket SurgeMaster® Superior Series with Telephone Protection [upg £ 15.00]
4x USB 2.0 Ports (6x possible on motherboard)
1x Gigabit LAN (onboard)
Internal 33-in-1 Memory Card Reader [upg £ 10.00]
Classic Plus Warranty - 1 Year On-site + 2 Years BTB -T&C [upg £ 39.00]

[lionessIRE]

well Ive gone and done it... hope it does th trick!

Mesh Elite² D820 (12)
System Base Price: £ 424.68
Intel® Pentium® D 820 Dual Core (2.8GHz,2MB Cache,800MHz)
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
Mini-Tower Micro ATX Case +250W PSU - Black
ASUS P5B-TMX PCI-Express Mainboard - Pentium® D/Core™ 2 Duo - Micro ATX
1024MB DDR2 533MHz Memory - (2x512MB)
250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive with 16MB Buffer
Super Format SONY 18x Dual Layer DVD Writer +R/-R/RW/RAM
256MB Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator integrated (SMA)
5.1 High Definition 6 Channel Audio Codec (on-board)
Logitech Desktop Keyboard & Optical Mouse
Microsoft® Office® 2003 Student and Teacher Edition (oem) [upg £ 101.28]
Free Cyberlink Video Editing Suite - 7 titles (oem)
BullGuard Internet Security 6.0 -AntiVirus/Firewall/Backup/Spamfilter -90 day trial
6-Socket SurgeMaster® Superior Series with Telephone Protection [upg £ 15.00]
4x USB 2.0 Ports (6x possible on motherboard)
1x Gigabit LAN (onboard)
Internal 33-in-1 Memory Card Reader [upg £ 10.00]
Classic Plus Warranty - 1 Year On-site + 2 Years BTB -T&C [upg £ 39.00]


Bill Gates has nothing on you!

[CrazyDaisy]

well Ive gone and done it... hope it does th trick!

Mesh Elite² D820 (12)
System Base Price: £ 424.68
Intel® Pentium® D 820 Dual Core (2.8GHz,2MB Cache,800MHz)
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
Mini-Tower Micro ATX Case +250W PSU - Black
ASUS P5B-TMX PCI-Express Mainboard - Pentium® D/Core™ 2 Duo - Micro ATX
1024MB DDR2 533MHz Memory - (2x512MB)
250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive with 16MB Buffer
Super Format SONY 18x Dual Layer DVD Writer +R/-R/RW/RAM
256MB Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator integrated (SMA)
5.1 High Definition 6 Channel Audio Codec (on-board)
Logitech Desktop Keyboard & Optical Mouse
Microsoft® Office® 2003 Student and Teacher Edition (oem) [upg £ 101.28]
Free Cyberlink Video Editing Suite - 7 titles (oem)
BullGuard Internet Security 6.0 -AntiVirus/Firewall/Backup/Spamfilter -90 day trial
6-Socket SurgeMaster® Superior Series with Telephone Protection [upg £ 15.00]
4x USB 2.0 Ports (6x possible on motherboard)
1x Gigabit LAN (onboard)
Internal 33-in-1 Memory Card Reader [upg £ 10.00]
Classic Plus Warranty - 1 Year On-site + 2 Years BTB -T&C [upg £ 39.00]
What in the name of good god are you talking baout???!!!!

Me+computors=AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

[Adamson of Africa]

What in the name of good god are you talking baout???!!!!

Me+computors=AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

I think I've managed to work out that she has bought a black one, if that is any help.

[leighton]

Determined to make my point on this one. The office invested in a new Dell server recently (used by 40+ people for the whole office network) which failed this a.m. - totally unresponsive and staff without access to all their work for the rest of the day. Tragedy! :laughing:

[chas chaston]

Determined to make my point on this one. The office invested in a new Dell server recently (used by 40+ people for the whole office network) which failed this a.m. - totally unresponsive and staff without access to all their work for the rest of the day. Tragedy! :laughing:Don`t you have a fallback procedure.............pen/paper/bean tin and string:laughing: or is that when the pub is calling you?:biggrin:

[flobber_fairy]

Determined to make my point on this one. The office invested in a new Dell server recently (used by 40+ people for the whole office network) which failed this a.m. - totally unresponsive and staff without access to all their work for the rest of the day. Tragedy! :laughing:

I bet you were all gutted. :wink:

I don't trust Dell because they are European and sponsored by the euro governments (well at least the french). Smells fishy to me). I am sick of Euro clap trap about quality when it is just rubbish. Airbus, Ariane, fighter planes and helicopters you name it it all ends up costing 10x more than promised. Even Kiwis and grape juice gets adverts on the TV paid for by the CEE and we get feed nonsense like kiwis contain more vitamin C than Oranges, bum wash, does it matter if your just going to piss it away anyway? :redhot:

Sorry rant finished

[Zinny.]

well Ive gone and done it... hope it does th trick!

Mesh Elite² D820 (12)
System Base Price: £ 424.68
Intel® Pentium® D 820 Dual Core (2.8GHz,2MB Cache,800MHz)
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
Mini-Tower Micro ATX Case +250W PSU - Black
ASUS P5B-TMX PCI-Express Mainboard - Pentium® D/Core™ 2 Duo - Micro ATX
1024MB DDR2 533MHz Memory - (2x512MB)
250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive with 16MB Buffer
Super Format SONY 18x Dual Layer DVD Writer +R/-R/RW/RAM
256MB Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator integrated (SMA)
5.1 High Definition 6 Channel Audio Codec (on-board)
Logitech Desktop Keyboard & Optical Mouse
Microsoft® Office® 2003 Student and Teacher Edition (oem) [upg £ 101.28]
Free Cyberlink Video Editing Suite - 7 titles (oem)
BullGuard Internet Security 6.0 -AntiVirus/Firewall/Backup/Spamfilter -90 day trial
6-Socket SurgeMaster® Superior Series with Telephone Protection [upg £ 15.00]
4x USB 2.0 Ports (6x possible on motherboard)
1x Gigabit LAN (onboard)
Internal 33-in-1 Memory Card Reader [upg £ 10.00]
Classic Plus Warranty - 1 Year On-site + 2 Years BTB -T&C [upg £ 39.00]


yeah see, us Kiwis are actually quite "stiffisticated" people :cool:.........well the chicks are anyway & someone has to train them of course.

[lionessIRE]

What in the name of good god are you talking baout???!!!!

Me+computors=AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!


CD if you were useless with computers you wouldn't have the honour to be graced with our presence here on LT.



Count your lucky stars Mrs.

[lion_tamer]

well i dont know a huge amount about PCs although ive learned a lot in the last week!! But im pretty sure this one will do all the stuff i want... cheers for all your help/comments.

Went for Mesh not Dell in the end - gave me better service, and that counts for a lot!!!!

[lion_tamer]

It works it works!! Woohoo!!!! :applaud:

[chas chaston]

I wonder if it still works.!:biggrin: